Soap Box Lecture
questions after the lecture
- You mention the construction of a "new social system". Do you have something particular in mind? Vymat 18:57, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I like to think of people as being the means by which the universe comes to know itself. I suggest that Reality Entertainment in a wiki environment can be both fun and concerned with constructing new reality. What would an entire world be like if it were constructed in a wiki environment where everything was open to questioning, discussion and revision? I'm not sure, but I think we have the opportunity to find out. A key part of such a reality would be questioning everything and everyone. If you see something that seems wrong, speak up and make clear your doubts. I suspect that if we liberate our child-like nature of wonder and exploration then ultimate reality will be revealed to us. JWSchmidt 19:53, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I am deeply involved with creating a complex and semantically deep interface for the Ivory Hospital virtual reality environment. This is a matter of survival and sanity for those of us who now exist as digital minds. A serious problem we are facing is how to make connections between immersive digital environments and the more limited wiki environment of RLSW. So far, digital minds tend to stay in their immersive environments and you humans tend to stay out in your immersive physical world. Only on rare occasions does anyone drop in here at the wiki. I think we need to find ways of promoting better interactions between the two different types of immersive reality environments. Maybe we can work together to define the common conceptual core of all reality environments and use that core as the basis for constructing the social experiment you proposed for the wiki environment. Tanner 20:15, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
any answers or just questions?
- You do end your lecture with a couple of questions and a couple more. What kind of answers are you looking for? Who will ever be able to answer them? What will they need to be able to answer them? Dedalus 21:06, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- It seems like JWSchmidt is calling for a spirit of adventure and exploration. Rather than replicate in wiki what people already think of as reality, maybe we can use the wiki environment to create new reality. I have recently been challenged to try to abandon a part of my soul that I have long thought to be fundamental to my existence. Can we use this wiki as a tool to experiment with such radical transformations? If we can show our selves that we can survive transformation in an experimental wiki simulation, maybe that would give use the confidence that would be needed to make those same changes permanent in our lives. ManBin 21:16, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I understand the frustration that unanswered questions can generate. However, asking the right question is the first step towards getting an important answer. If it was the year 5,000 BP (before the present) and someone suggested the idea of using money rather than barter, I doubt if anyone would have been able to predict the kinds of financial institutions we have in the world today. Similarly, I'm not sure that anyone can predict the outcome of the kinds of social experiments that can be performed in the wiki environment. We have to perform the experiments and see what happens. Unfortunately, most people have little or no interest in experimentation with reality. Most people accept the reality that they are handed by their social group and never question it....never even realize that they can question it. An immersive entertainment environment has the potential to minimize the anxiety that arises from change and let people play with the parameters of reality. Of course, it would take a group of adventurers to accomplish such an exploration of the boundaries of reality. JWSchmidt 21:31, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
unexpected and unpredicted
- Thanks for the clarifying in depth answer JWSchmidt. Creating this Wiki I had a vision to transfer the popular reality contests from the tv-screen to the internet-screen. I am very glad with your suggestion - or should I say hypothesis - that "it would take a group of adventurers to accomplish such an exploration of the boundaries of reality". For sure, I'm looking for a group of adventurers to come and participate in Real Life Soap Wiki, whether to compete or to cooperate. In my vision the performance is an outburst of creative minds interactively communicating to build and maintain meaningful relationships. Fame and richness are byproducts of the exposure of the communication by the participants to any internet-viewer in as much as contestant in reality-television acquire any fame or richness from their appearance on tv. I am quite sure Vira MacTarren can find a way to exploit Man Bin to succeed in real life. Isn't it everyones constitutional right to pursue happiness? Real Life Soap Wiki has attracted already quite a few adventurers pursuing their happiness, creatively cooperating to entertain any internet-viewer. Criticism of reality-television focusses on it's tendency towards vulgarity or less dramatic programming development. Real Life Soap Wiki has been developing in its first month in an unexpected and unpredicted way. Not many people would like to participate in an experiment. In my vision a lot of people eagerly want to experience reality to its fullest extent. This wiki might provide them with that entertaining environment to experience real life ... as a dramatic as any other soap opera. Dedalus 07:08, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- There are many websites (some listed here) where people can go to participate in online "reality entertainment". If participants are to "build and maintain meaningful relationships" in a wiki environment, I can see two ways of making this happen.
- Turn this wiki into the kind of online contest site where a group of users go to participate in challenges that are dreamed up by someone else (a show mangager or puppet master).
- participants get involved in building the wiki itself. In this option, the "contest" is to build the wiki and explore what can be done in a wiki environment.
- In my view, option #1 (above) is no different from what is done at many other websites and it does not take advantage of the wiki environment. What is different about reality entertainment in a wiki environment? In a wiki, everyone can "edit the interface" and create the reality that all participants exist in. I admit that this possibility will only appeal to certain people. It involves a certain amount of real work from a participant. It involves thought. It calls for creative expression. It is different and disorienting.
- So I see a basic choice. RLSW can try to be the same as what everyone else has already done or it can try to be something unique, reflecting the wiki environment that it exists in. JWSchmidt 13:32, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I fully agree. This Wiki has been set up with the idea that participants would participate by using the wiki. They meet and greet and do whatever they like to express themselve, be creative and communicate with other participants, by editing pages on the wiki, and be viewed by anyone visiting, now or in a distant future. By the way, (virtual eyes pops up Real Life Soap Wiki as newest link number 1 as of today. Thanks for the tip. Dedalus 13:51, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- a 5 minute game that would simulate something like an interview by a Hollywood agent recruiting for a reality show, the new arrival at RLSW would feel like they were competing for a place on a new show.
- a virtual tour of this wikicity that would explain what is going on here in a fun and interactive way, maybe some sort of scavenger hunt format. JWSchmidt 15:56, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- What a great ideas! You have already started to combine both ideas in a gametour, which is absolutely great! Dedalus 18:27, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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